Well, if you ask me, the "Hot20" is the most useless feature of this community. Especially since whole mail-wars seem to be fought over this little piece of idiocy. Comments and ratings are halvway useful features, and I do not remember these features creating as much stress as this stupid "Hot20". IMHO it should be removed. As for me "insulting" you (Blackheart) or Rio: I never clearly stated who I thought made good pictures and who produced "unimaginative junk". I did so for a purpose, because Renderosity is full of people who are all to willing to create a mail-war because someone simply stated, that they were not producing "art". "Art" is a big word - calling yourself an "artist" is not very humble. I work as a "Graphics Designer" (Yeah, even the army needs Graphics Designers...) and I draw, render, post-work and animate for a living - but I would never be so vain as to call myself an "artist". I think you could call my position to an artist similar to the position of someone piling up bricks to an architect. People here love to call themselves "artists" without ever knowing the real meaning of the word. A little humility would serve some people here really well. As for your picture "Cheesecake anyone?", I must say that it is well executed and has some extremely good postwork at that. But it is not very imaginative. Hey, it's a pin-up. There's not a lot of creative things you could do with a pin-up. I would say that it is extremely well executed - but would you yourself say, that this picture is extremely "artistic"? Don't take this as a negative comment - I would wish I could produce such work with Poser. As for Rio - I didn't look at all the pictures in the gallery. Rios "Alternate Realities" is very well done, shows high skills at drawing and postwork and while the idea itself is not new, the representation is very well done. But let's compare this picture with: "Fallen Angel", "I will not fear", "Colourful Glow" or "Adam". I do respect the people for their abilities with Poser, but all those pictures have nothing to do with art. Let's take "Adam": The picture is extremely well executed - but it lacks artistic meaning. Does the picture have any message? Does it tell us anything beyond the fact that Catharina Przezak is extremely good at texturing and postwork? That alone doesn't make it "art". That is no insult - My pictures aren't very artistic either. Just electronic comics... nothing more. To make a long story short: Calling yourself an "artist" is a bit haughty and some people here would do better showing a little humility. There is nothing bad at not being an artist. Being good at postwork, image creation and the like is enough. Joerg