You should not run around, telling people what their opinion is. Actually, Frank Frazetta qualifies as an artist to me, while Boris Vallejo doesn't. I am not quite sure with Vargas. By the way: Frazetta did a lot more than just pin-ups. He is in one league with the Hildebrand brothers or people like Michael Whelan. Vallejo on the other side lacks imagination IN MY HUMBLE OPINON. Thats all - my opinion. Obviously we have very different opinions on what qualifies at art. I have no problem with that. I do not intend to flame anyone - but I do intend to present my opinion. If this bothers you - hard luck. At least I bothered to explain my position - something that you as well as most of our "I am an artist"-people here at renderosity failed to do. Sometimes I would love to have a serious discussion about this issue... Joerg