Well, PAN, I hate to dispute you...but, sadly you are wrong! This image was created using my "hi-res woman" model. I did actually render it in 3ds max (I think...my memory is goin you know). But the underlying mesh is definately the hi-res woman. You can still get her here: http://www.spaceports.com/~helend/Textures/Women/women_3.html mobius