sorry for going off on you mab... didn't get what you meant before. Thought it was aimed at me :) Still goes for the rest of the suckups though :) I just don't do suckup very well... it just annoys me because suckups bit me so badly in my work before. I know its all so desperately fake. And the ones that will find out that the hard cruel way are the admins and mods that fall into that lull of believing you are more than you are... because that's the lull that suckups do to you in these situations. I feel for them in a way, but not enough to lose any sleep over it. I'll be here for a hearty 'told you so' after its allll over :)