actually i just realised what part of the problem is: she seems to have her mesh scaled within poser. when im working in max, i get a morph that looks outstanding. when i apply it in poser, it almost looks like a totally different woman. however, when i scale her head down along the Y axis, i get more or less what i see in max. strange - give me a couple more hours folks, going to make some modifications to her head based on finding this out. if i squash her head a little in max it should come out fine in poser. part of the problem with judy is that her eyes are so large and they are so far apart in her head. unfortunately, i cant do much with them because that would involve having to reposition her eyes in poser, and that gets into a whole new more complicated realm. cheers, -gabriel