"This discussion shouldn't even exist" xoconostle if you are referring to my quote I actually said: "This discussion actually shouldn't even exist because it is a moot point" And it is. And we have been down this road a lot...and often. And some people still don't understand or get it. Some feel that they are "owed" freestuff and can use it for whatever they want despite restrictions put on them by copyright holders. Just respect the restrictions or pass the product by, it's that simple. Oh and please, if you are going to quote me, please do not take me out of context. We as artists, hobbyists whatever, should all be very careful when it comes to copyright. And that is what should rule the discussion, not what we "want" but what it "is". We should respect the artist's wishes, whether we agree, whether we think it's ludicrous, stupid, restrictive or not...we must respect them, or run the risk of not having our wishes respected when the time comes. I was not in any way shape or form trying to be censorial, that is almost funny actually given my stance on censorship as an artist. Pendarian