Guarie: Sure, I'd hug you, I'm female :) And yes, I tend to look upon artists as a more honorable and noble bunch, old fashioned and rosey glasses, perhaps...but, it's how I feel and for the most part the artists I have met, it's how they act. Storm, I know what you mean..if it has restrictions that we can't live with commercially, then why take the time and waste the harddrive space? I agree on that one. I have a whole bunch of stuff I need to clean out because of that very reason. I don't have time when I'm doing a commission or getting ready for a convention to figure out if what I have installed is okay for commercial use, so I have just stopped downloading anything that says no commercial usage. I don't want the hassle and I don't want to step on the creator's toes. I think that's fair enough. Martin, I'm happy for you that you can afford to pay for everything that you use. That's a good thing, but there are those that can't and that is really what freestuff is all about. I know when I first started if freestuff hadn't been around, I would have been lost. Pendarian