Ray, I had a chance to look the head tuts over last night as I was curious too - there is an older head tutorial at the bottom of the page which seems to go into more detail. It may be the one you want to look at first, but I didn't see a .PDF for the latter one. It seems to me that I saw a head tutorial that was much better somewhere on the net, but I couldn't find a working link. I guess I'll take a page from MAZ' book and keep googling until I find something good. Speaking of MAZ, you all ought to look in the Poser Forum keyword MAZ in October or September. There is a thread there which tells you how to export .GMAX files from GMAX as .OBJ (wavefront) format using a script. It might be handy for all you modelers out there. cheers, - TJ