"We don't always do the popular thing over there....its tough...but we try." Ah, and the trying is the important part. Here, I just don't see them trying anymore. And no, for the record, I'm not stupid or naive enough to say that R'osity's going to topple. But if it maintains its present administration with their present attitude, I do think it's simply going to rot, die a slow, lingering death. NO ONE is invincible. I mean, who ever though K-Mart would go under? It used to be an american institution, now it's wobbling on its last, sickly legs. If it can happen to them... But my main point is that I don't WANT to see that here. I simply want certain people here to pull their heads out of their asses and actually listen to the members once in a while. I WANT to LIKE this place again. As far as the rest, no, you'll never see a mass exodus, but a few here and a few there adds up after a while. Yes, there will be new blood coming in to replace them, but what about QUALITY? How many of these newbies will come in with the knowledge and experience of a Mehndi or a LadySilverMage or whoever? How long will it take them to get that good? WILL they? Ever? "but not very many stick to their guns...and leave forever (even you, by your own words..." I haven't left yet, not really, although I spend less and less time here lately. If I do pull my stuff and leave, though (which I'm very close to doing), I assure you it will be permanent. My stubborness is legendary.;) Of course, that just means I'll be bugging you more over at 3DC, so their loss is your gain, eh? snicker