Lightwave would be a wonderful gift but um...gawd! that is not in my budget, I'm going to try the rhino demo. I'm an XBox addict and gammer so, it might be something I can look in to. Oh heck, I'll just try anything I can get my hands on as demos! I'm in the middle of rebuilding my web site. I already built a world with adobe atmopshere, working with my poser... dum dee dum...I think I'm going to be locked up for madness! hahahha. Thanks peeps. www.sashly.com My poor husband. He asked for a xmas list.