it is the quality issue that is to me the saddest. i used to learn from looking in the gallery. just looking. so many names are gone in the last 2 years. now, i breeze through the gallery and don't much feel like clicking. i used to be proud to have my stuff up, here....now, no. the old ones leaving and the newbies flocking in, thinking they bought talent in a box, have just changed the flavor of this place....and, no c&d...wow, what does this place have to offer me? I'm real partial to the rhino forum. and, some of the other modelling forums can be interesting too. but, look at how small the modelling galleries are. no big draw, there. looking through the poser gallery the last six months, has been largely so uninspiring, that i have not posted there since late february, or so. and, the poser gallery was the big draw. i agree that this place is turning into a big flea market. me, i will continue to prowl, here, until the day comes....and, it will....that there is nothing left to see. then, i'll move on down the road, too.