xenic .. Curious Labs has a Transfer of Ownership form on their site that can be used for just this sort of thing :) Drax, Poser 5 cost me a fortune and I just can't warrant owning something that doesn't work properly. It's sitting here in it's pretty box doing nothing. I don't even have it installed. I don't have time to beta test software, nor fiddle around getting things to work. I need to be able to open the program, set up my render and click a button. This I can do quite sufficiently in Pro Pack. So I may as well get rid of P5. One day maybe if it's ever bug free I might just buy the upgrade ... if the Daz program isn't all I think it's going to be :)