But if you do install it and get the SR1 patch (or SR2 beta patch, if you're feeling lucky), you'll get some things you don't get with P4PP - vastly improved materials setup, face room (ok, not so great :), dynamic cloth room, and hair (real hair, not some trans map or block posing as hair). There are no add-ons for P4PP (nor will there ever be any) to match these features. And, with the patch, it should work well (of course, this isn't true in all cases). BTW, if you own P4PP, why did you spend a fortune on P5? Did you miss the upgrade messages, mail, pages, flyers, blimps? ;) Shoulda cost no more than $150 or $200 (US), even in Australia. I couldn't imagine CL limiting upgrades to priviledged US owners only. BeatYourSoul