I think the point a lot of people miss here is that every individual person has different proportions, too. We can't say that Vickie's shoulders are "wrong" simply because they're not like Posette's. Posette's narrower shoulders make her head look a little top heavy. People have gotten used to the way Posette looks (all aspects of her), and when Victoria came along, and she looked different, everyone started picking her apart and trying to find all the differences from Posette as things wrong with her. Can't we all accept that different people are differently built and leave it at that? I personally see nothing wrong with the Victoria character. She's not Posette, but then, she wasn't intended to be. Personlly, I think Posette is just a little too "perfect" to the point that she doesn't look very real to me. We need some different looking characters to make our Poser and Bryce worlds more diverse; not just racially, but indiviudally. In real life, we don't all look alike. I hope Zygote will be creating more different looking people in the future. I'd like to have more diversity in my collection. So, let's stop deciding that Vickie's all wrong, and accept her for the good things she has. The old adage goes, "Beauty is only skin deep." Posette might look "perfect" to a lot of people, but if we got to know her, she could be a self-centered little snot. Vickie, on the other hand, might be a lovely human being. Frankly, I'm kind of tired of hearing how "ugly" Vickie (and the Poser male) are. It only shows how judgmental we human beings are when it comes to physical appearance. Oops, sorry. I didn't mean to get off on a soap box there. Let's go back and have some fun now! ;) Melanie