way over my head guys..... was it the way i asked???? i meant this..... you make a morph target for mike. you also create a fbm for mike. now, how does one combine both the morph target and the fbm into one file/pz2/ or what ever it is for distribution w/o getting into any legal drama. see, i cant give the morph target, as thats giving the obj file. but when you make the pz2 having added/used the morph target, the morph target info isnt applied w/ the pz2........ lol, you guys are awesome w/ that technical stuff, but its far too complex for lil ol atom..... i cant for the life of me edit a cr2, so thats totally out of the question..... even using cr2 editor is out of my league.... i can manage morph manager and mat pose edit, but thats about as far as i can tread in those waters...... i truly appreciate the input, but i dont follow it as yet.........