Xena, I don't blame you. Like you, I have a business to run and do not have the time to be a lab rat for Curious Labs. We have 7 systems and I am very thankful that I only bought P5 for 1 system instead of going "whole hog" during the "unbeatable pre-order price" period. I have yet been able to use P5 for a single project. Not one. I dare not start a project in P5. What am I going to do when it freezes, crashes, locks up, pukes out yet another "C exception" or simply refuses to load a previously saved pz3 file? I know, I'll just tell my client, "Sorry, but Curious Labs tells us they're right on top of everything and shouold have Poser 5 working sometime in the not too distant future." Right. And the galling part of it all is that everytime someone brings up the obvious faults of this software abortion we hear,"Well, it works for me! Perfect! Fantastic!" Or we're told it is user error or user inexperience. Excuse me, but can someone tell me how the C exceptions are due to user error? User inexperience? Sorry, Xena. Didn't mean to hijack your thread here. Been away for a few weeks and returned to see the same crap. Good people have been had. Nothing has really changed. We're still expected to be unpaid lab rats. Nope. Ain't gonna happen. And there will be justice. casamerica New computer - $2100.00. New desk - $500.00. New 3d models - $400.00. Poser 5 Worthless. For everything else, theres Poser 4 and Vue dEsprit.