Puts down copy of 'Sports Illustrated - World Famous Swimsuit Issue' for a moment... Thanks for posting those pics, rtamesis. It's nice that someone is looking at these figures with an eye for accuracy. Thanks for all your morphs too, they're great. :) Looking at the healthy models in that Sports Illustrated magazine, the average shoulder width (and shape) appears to be about half way between Vic's and Posettes. Victoria is a fairly beefy woman, and not especially trim either. Melanie, I appreciate what you're saying, but I think you're taking it off on a bit of a tangent. This isn't really a case of tolerance and acceptance of individuality, it's a case of 'what the Poser community wanted, needed, and were expecting'. For myself, when I heard Zygote were making a 'Millennium Woman' that would enhance Poser realism significantly, I felt they would essentially be making a new standard, default figure. I was very much looking forward to this, since I felt the regular female figure had probably been developed to near its maximum. What Zygote released was an individual character, a 'person' if you will. It is here that I think they made a major marketing blunder, especially when combined with giving the model an appearance that wasn't going to appeal to the majority of prospective customers (note that nearly all the morphs released so far have been to turn 'Victoria' into a more 'idealised' shape). The market for a hi-res, highly adaptable, idealised standard figure was substantial, whereas the market for a specific character is much more restricted. I'm still mystified as to why Zygote chose this route. Perhaps they felt that they could release lots of characters based on this mesh, in much the same way as users have released lots of characters based on Posette. If so, I think they have seriously misread the market. IMO, Zygote should concentrate on supplying fundamental basic figures so good that we can't do without them, and let the users turn those figures into individual characters. It makes sense that the basic figures should fit in with most people's definition of accuracy and attractiveness, so long as they are adaptable enough to be made into a wide range of individuals. That was the philosophy behind the new figures for Poser3 and 4. It made sense then, and it makes sense now. As things stand, I think Zygote should be very grateful to users like rtamesis for showing prospective purchasers that the Victoria character is capable of being made into the kind of figure they most likely wanted in the first place. I certainly wouldn't have bought the model if I hadn't been shown what was possible. I reckon that if Zygote had made the figure more generalised and standardised in the first place, they would have sold more of them straight away, and all the genius users would have been making individualising morphs instead of generalising morphs!!! Ironically, this would have resulted in more virtual individuals, not less, and your admirable desire to see more diversity would have been fulfilled quicker. :)