Beat, I bought the full version as I was going to install Pro Pack on the kids machine, so I thought I'd do the right thing. The material room looks great, although it doesn't really apply to me as a clothing modeller (not a texturer anymore). The hair is laughable and I'd take a Kozaburo freebie over the P5 hair anyday. I've yet to see a render of it that doesn't look wiry and sparse. The dynamic cloth, on the other hand is the main reason I pre-ordered :) And Cas, go right ahead :) You understand my frustrations I think. If I had the time to play around getting it to work correctly for me (assuming I can even download such large patches on my dialup) then maybe I'd keep it. Maybe not.