Ok! Heres me back with some more thoughts. A.S. on what you had to say about categories, well if its your best work which need be submitted, then why have categories at all? Why not just have a Best of the Bryce contest and divide the prizes up with the top ten entries? The whole idea of having categories was to identify usage of Bryce, other then that which is most obvious, and try and establish who are the best talents in that particular category. Going by the argument you have put forward, would you want to come first in a particular category by default, just cause Hobbit could submit only one entry and it was in a category other then yours? I do feel that we might be loosing focus with the prizes. The original idea of having a Bryce Gurus contest was to identify the best of talents. As Bryce was being used in areas other then just Landscape, and so as to identify envelope pushing usage, the idea of categories came up. So that such a contest would have the stature it deserved and so as to attract the best and most wide spread talent, the quest was to get the best of prizes. The idea being that over a period of time it will be the stature of the citation which will be the biggest draw and not the prizes which are being given out. Personally I would have no gripe about getting a second prize (or a third ort fourth or whatever) if I were to loose out to Hobbit, Sking, Roobol, etc for I would have lost out to a GURU! So going by the 3 hypotheses you threw to me, my responses are: - I would have no probs with a person (say HOBBIT) winning all 3 categories!! That would conclusively prove him to be a Bryce Guru! And that was the sole aim of the contest. - In case one was to be stripped off a prize, one still gets the recognition. Here Im distinguishing between citation and prize. You might be upheld as 3rd in a particular category, and if you have come second in another, you forsake the prize not the position. - In case I got a hand me down prize, well wouldnt it make greater consolation? I lost out to someone better then me (which tells me how I can further improve myself!) and got goodies to stop me from sulking! ;-)Wouldnt that be best of both the worlds? I feel it definitely would be preferable to coming first say, by default, cause the best Brycer couldnt submit an image in that particular category even if he/she was capable of submitting one. Another way of looking at it is, what would be the stature of Oscars if each film could submit itself towards only one category of judging, just cos more films could get Oscars? Would it then have turned into the premium citation that it is today? ;-) So Ill reiterate. If you have only the best image, then let it be the Best of the Best Bryce contest. In case you have categories, then allow people to submit to more then one category! I think Tuttle gave a very good idea about driving factor. Thanx Tuttle for the kind words you had for me too! :-) In terms of categories, taking a page again from the Photoshop Gurus contestcan we have one category as theme based? Something, which might end up being on the Renderosity Magazine Cover! Also can we limit the file size to 200 KB and not restrict the aspect ratio? I think there are still some areas in terms of postwork, which is pretty grey, which needs be covered! And finally, if we have external judges, why arent you participating A.S.? Avi :-)