Thanks for the comments guys- just confirmed my suspicions. mibbe am not such a dumbass after all. I knew the other techniques, but its essentially a question of time. Quicktime pro will save as an image sequence as will bryce as will poser etc its just the painstaking implementing of one such sequence, never mind several, that can stultify the creative process. But as a means to an end at leats it is achievable. PS some of you gyuys ever look up trueism in the dictionary lol ;-) iman