PJF, I completely agree that Victoria's current physique is not a factor contributing to her adaptability. Nor do I know what Zygote's original intentions were re free upgrades. I suspect the negative reaction came as a surprise to them. This makes it even more admirable that they are taking steps to keep their customers happy. In extending the discount period they are allowing us to evaluate the new Victoria without giving up the special price. Certainly one cannot complain about such fairness. (No, I'm not saying you were complaining- just commenting.) As for whether most dislike her or not, we'll probably never know. What we have in these forums are only the remarks of the vocal few. I expect far more users have opinions that remain unvoiced. Certainly the number of opinions we've seen pales compared to the number of Poser users. I wonder how many of us have used the original Poser. Advancing from that to Victoria in such a relatively short time is quite remarkable. Me?- now I'm waiting for Millenium Victor!