In these Victoria discussions the lack of included morphs keeps coming up. But very few of Zygote's models (I'm not counting the ones included in Poser) come with morphs. As far as I recall the few ones that did are the dragon and demon and the morphs were relatively minor. Zygote has offered morph add-ons however. It seems that in this respect Victoria simply follows their standard procedures. I too want morphs but perhaps our expectations were not completely reasonable. Ah well. The thing to do is take the model and bend it to our will. Is that not the way of "artists"? Someone mentioned all the outlandish penile morphs. I've not seen them but they defintely were not part of the stock figure and were developed by the user community. In any event, I've not missed them. That damned thing gets in the way too often anyhow :-) BTW, has anyone looked at the dl stats for the various Vickie items? They range individually from around 700 to over 1,100. It is reasonable to assume that nobody will dl such a thing unless they have Vickie nor is it likely one will dl an item more than once. I'd say that implies pretty healthy sales for a product that everyone is supposed to hate. Yep, I'm quite pleased with my purchase... :-) But I'm still eagerly awaiting all those mods you people are dreaming up! I suspect that soon you will see just how sexy an older woman can be!