Wow! I learned more today than I did in the last couple of weeks of struggling. You guys are fantastic, thank you. I was getting a little overwhelmed with the program. I wanted to throw up my hands and quit. I'm keeping my eye on the ball(your terrific Bryce art), it is one of those "the more you know, the more you know, you don't know. I changed the scale, added an island, modified the water. Is it possible to sculpt the terrain? I know about the terrain editor and the erode etc buttons. I tried adding with the terrain tool, but I have trouble trying to finiess it.