you won StarShuffler....you knew...that is a good prize, I ran through a bunch of thumbs in your photo lab SS and you seem to know what is a good photo subject... Chuck...he must have really proped up those plants. I saw some I grew with 1 1/2" main stems. Tomatos are something. I have not planted any for three years and get 100# or so off a four by four area, but I do water and fertilize, the tomatos volunteer as long and you throw the ones you do not eat in the patch. You would think the ground would burn out. We only ate 50# so, I felt guilty wasting them even though they were free other than $2.00 of Miracle Grow.