P5 has improved substantially since its initial release, but still has many fundemental restrictions and limitations that aren't going to be fixed until there is a major rewrite of the core (if ever). Also the export and extendibility limitations and lock in to proprierty third party technology count against it. The best advice, now, is to hang on to see what the DAZ app has to offer, I expect that there should be at least some news within the next month or so. The Poser engine is such a dinosaur that its not unreasonable to expect that anything new should be way ahead of P5, and some of the eye witness reports seem to confirm this. Since DAZ are partly developing this app in order to support their modelling business, the pricing is likely to be competitive with (and may even undercut) the CL product. Bill