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Subject: Texture, texture, texture...help!


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 8:44 AM · edited Sat, 03 August 2024 at 7:50 AM

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Hi I'm having problems with getting the texture to look right. When I apply the mountian/terrain texture I get the bloby texture you see. I tried changing the scale of the texture, played with the bump adjustment(both plus & minius), but no luck. I tried using the stones/rocks texture and that seems to work fine. What am I doing wrong? Unfortantly the stones/rocks textures do not have trees/brush etc. confused


ICMgraphics ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 9:09 AM

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Did you set a higher resolution on the terrain editor?


ICMgraphics ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 9:32 AM

I just tried the same thing you have there, I believe the tex you used on the left is lowlands. I had trouble with it too. (NOTE: no lowlands on mountains) :) The one on the right looks fine, maybe a bit more bump. Try a few others. Good luck


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 10:11 AM

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I changed the textures, added more bump, increased the resolution. It looks a lot better. Is there any way I can get more detail in the texture, and maybe lose the repetive pattern in the island on the left?


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 10:12 AM

Doesn't the water on the left side seem odd?


nuski ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 10:54 AM

The water on the left is just reflecting the image of your terrain.


tjohn ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 12:26 PM

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I think you are wanting to "size" the TEXTURE at this point, and not change the resolution of the geometry of the rocks or mountains. In the top illustration of the Material Editor, you can see the size setting for the texture at 1,1,1 causes the texture to look too large and blocky. In the bottom illustration I have cranked the settings to 44,44,44 and you can see that the texture is now much more detailed. In other words, to increase the numerical value of the texture size actually makes the size of the texture smaller. Doesn't seem very intuitive does it. It helps me to think that higher texture size increases the DETAIL of the texture, not the relative SIZE of it. Tjohn

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 1:30 PM

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Wow! I learned more today than I did in the last couple of weeks of struggling. You guys are fantastic, thank you. I was getting a little overwhelmed with the program. I wanted to throw up my hands and quit. I'm keeping my eye on the ball(your terrific Bryce art), it is one of those "the more you know, the more you know, you don't know. I changed the scale, added an island, modified the water. Is it possible to sculpt the terrain? I know about the terrain editor and the erode etc buttons. I tried adding with the terrain tool, but I have trouble trying to finiess it.


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 1:33 PM

How do you click on/select something that is behind another object?


tjohn ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 1:38 PM

Looking much improved! Yes, you can paint on the terrain (kinda clunky and a pretty steep learning curve for me). But you'll need to spend some time with the manual and go through the tutorials in it for the Terrain Editor, so you'll understand how it works (essential!). The very best advice, RTM (read the manual) or RTFM for those like me who only read the manual when all else fails. :^) Second best advice: get a copy of Susan Kitchens' Real World Bryce 4. It's actually better than the manual, but you have to purchase it, and you should already have the manual.

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy


tjohn ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 1:49 PM

"How do you click on/select something that is behind another object?" In the windows version, you can use Ctrl-left click on the object and highlight the name of the one you want to select. Then only that object will be selected. If you want to select more than one object that is behind one you don't want to select use Ctrl/Shift-left click and select the names of the objects you want. I only found out about this recently myself. I had been selecting my objects that had other objects in the way by Tab-ing through them all. All that wasted button pushing (sigh). Sorry if you have a Mac, don't know anything about it. By the way, am I one of the last to know that you can use the same method to select individual objects in a group without ungrouping first? It sures speeds up the process of adjusting textures on Poser figures.

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 2:10 PM

Yep, I have the manual, and I do read it, but sometimes I get confused, don't know what to ask, or where to go. I'm trying, I will pick up Kitchen's book. I have a PC.


SevenOfEleven ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 2:16 PM

On the Mac you can control click on an individual member of a group. I noticed on a Mac with Os X with Jaguar installed sometimes ctrl-click does not work. Have to exit Bryce and rerun it or restart the whole session.


tjohn ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 2:38 PM

"Yep, I have the manual, and I do read it, but sometimes I get confused, don't know what to ask, or where to go. I'm trying, I will pick up Kitchen's book." I wasn't trying to hint you might not have the manual. :^) And when you got confused, you came to the right place. This is where I come (I'm confused a lot! LOL), the folks here are Bryce experts and can help with anything. I come in to read the posts here all the time and I think I've learned more here in the past year or so than I ever got out of a book.

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy


hewsan ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 8:43 PM

Something to consider...
Can vary a terrain's appearance, buy duplicating a terrain & then resize, change angles, etc... change the parameters for the same texture ( or change to another texture altogether) and have both terrains in virtually the same space... or create another terrain that is different physically and overlap, jut out of, rise out of and above, etc....
A low tech technique that I'm a bit fond of, but doing this will increase the scene's poly count and will increase your render times....
Also can use a paint program and "paint" a terrain map to use, and then there's importing a bitmap to use as a terrain.....
Have fun, play and experiment.
best, hewsan


EricofSD ( ) posted Sat, 16 November 2002 at 9:31 PM
FWTempest ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 2:17 AM

yep, Eric, that page was exactly what I was thinking of as I scrolled down this thread. Got that one saved in my "reference-for-things-that-I'd-like-to-master-one-day" file.


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 4:18 AM

I'll try that technique today. I'm still having a problem moving things to the foreground/background. I tried grabing the object with the pointer, grabing thr X, Y, Z thingies, but it just goes "underground, or ths overlap oddly. I know I'm doing something stupid, but I don't know what.


FWTempest ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 4:55 AM

use all your camera views... in a perspective view, I very rarely reposition anything directly, but instead use the move tool in the edit controls. Using the ortho views (top, front, left, right) it is much easier to grab your object and move it where you want it. Personally, I use the directors cam and top view most often to position objects, occasionally using front and side views when necessary.


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 6:58 AM

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I tried it, works great. I really appreicat your help. I changed a couple of things, but the "Mounds" I added to the foreground seem blurry. I increased the resolution, added noise, no change.


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 7:06 AM

What a differance from my first image. You guy/gals have produced some fantastic work, and I really want to thank you for taking the time to help me try to improve my work. You have been really generous with your knowledge and talent. Thanks... bows to the Bryce Masters


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 7:10 AM

How do they make those stone arches/bridges?


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 8:41 AM

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I tried renering with fog, does everything look too blurry?


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 8:48 AM

Thanks again everyone, I feel like I really learned a lot, you have been a tremendous help. I was up late working on this stuff last night, and first thing this morning. This program really gets you hooked, especialy when you start to see some results. I realize I got a long way to go, but I'm on the road now. Thanks


tjohn ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 4:12 PM

"How do they make those stone arches/bridges?" Without pics to be sure what you mean, I'm going to guess you've seen some objects made with lattices or terrains.

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 4:43 PM

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tjohn I talking about natural formation caused by wind(out west) and water(on the coast). I've seen Bryce Pics of them. I attached a very, very, very, rough sketch I just did to give you an idea of what I mean.


FWTempest ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 4:53 PM

the easiest way I can think of is to create a terrain of suitable size and shape, then use a lattice to negative boolean a hole out of the middle of it.


FWTempest ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 4:56 PM

btw... each rendered image gets better than the last one... keep that up and soon you'll be doing magazine covers, turning down job offers from Pixar... :o)


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 17 November 2002 at 6:50 PM

FWTempest I think I know what your saying, I'll go look it up. Thanks for the compliment, but I've seen really good Bryce work. I'll keep trying tho.


tjohn ( ) posted Mon, 18 November 2002 at 1:09 PM

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In the meantime, Philywebrider, I made you this mini-tutorial.

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy


Ang25 ( ) posted Mon, 18 November 2002 at 2:27 PM

oooooh! This is so cool. I have got to play with this tut. Thanks for both these ideas. Ang


Ang25 ( ) posted Mon, 18 November 2002 at 2:29 PM

Phily, Errrr so sorry, clicked the post message before I was done. I agree with FWTempest, your renders are getting really good.


Philywebrider ( ) posted Mon, 18 November 2002 at 5:38 PM

tjohn Wow! tutorial looks great, and much more than expected, it is exactly what I needed. You really helped a lot, many thanks. Ang25 Thank you too. Bows respectfully to the Bryce Masters


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 24 November 2002 at 8:03 AM

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Hi tjohn I've been struggling with your tutorial. Your tut was great, but like you said I had to experiment with the editor trying to get the look I wanted. I'm working on trying to get a more natural shape like yours. You knocked out that tut in no time, but after a couple of days I'm still trying to get that great look you have on your tut bridge. Again many thanks


Philywebrider ( ) posted Sun, 24 November 2002 at 8:07 AM

Since the Bryce 5 full, and Bryce 5 upgrade have reduced prices, do you think Bryce 6, is on the way? I'm just starting to learn Bryce 5, Bryce 6 will knock me back to square one.


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