Mab > "and that it's going to be a really good program" Yeah but why sell something if it isn't? I mean those of us that bought it have paid for a closed beta. Where is that fair? 2 out of 5 "release canidates" so far have had such issues that they have either released it fixed or a second beta the same day. Now people are having trouble with texture files etc. It would have helped if things had been delivered as promised. Any idea what it means that P5 is now less expensive than P4? Hmmm.... Tom