damn, i hate forums... so even being in here is a contradiction... colour me femme, hey? bored at work this arvo and read through the abovementioned posts, and gosh, I was actually quite interested and curious about the whole thing... well, in a rather morbid sense, i spose... my trouble is is that i agree with just about all the points made by everyone sans the cheap digs and general negative insulting commentaries along the way... i see a lot of what "Tisa" has said as having merit... there truly are an awful lot of renders out there created to show off the latest, greatest hot new upcoming thang... does it render said images as art-less? too subjective a question i imagine... i know my own answer to the question and honestly? i think that that is enough and i don't need to try to answer it or speak it to/for the masses nor attempt to bend "their" opines to my own will... shrug... and i can say that a few "promo" type images of mine along the way were certainly lacking a type of spark, though much to my lament, i did not wish them to end up that way, but they did... [phooey]... but that's neither here nor there... the only question that's truly been asked in this thread by Tisa is if this is an art site? i can only assume that that is actually a rhetorical question as the owners of this site have intended for it to be geared towards art, and it is touted as a "art site", and i don't think that that's been kept a secret anywhere, hmm? and if it IS a joke, my gods, 'sity has spent an awful lot of cash on upgrades, equipment, etc. to pull it off... now whether what exists upon these cyberpages is art or not is an entirely different question, ne? don't jump the gun... let the question be asked first... and no, I was NOT asking... ;)