lol fauve :) mosca - you know what i mean. renderosity is a marketplace community. i see no need to deny that, or hide it. so is RDNA, DAZ, Commune, Rotica, 3dcafe etc. even poserpros, which was propagandised as a nonprofit company and therefore 'better' than rosity set up a marketplace awful fast. without the marketplaces funding these communities, and merchant contributors, these communities would dry up awful fast as people realised that administrators, the massive bandwidth usage generated by thousands of people logged on at all times, and contest prizes/etc cost money. people trashing the marketplace, and saying that we need to go back to having everything out there as freestuff, are really missing the big picture. most merchants began with freestuff contributions, and merchants like philc, who i look up to a lot, are industriously providing the community with an endless supply of quality items which they invested their time in and ask nothing in return. while freestuff is great, and i myself am working on a couple new additions with rio, its not going to pay for the costs of this community. its funny how so many people are hypocrits though. bebop, with his new nicknames like Keep_It_Free, and his constant assaults on renderosity merchants, seems to forget the fact that he was a renderosity merchant too. yes, one of us evil, moneygrubbing, profiteering bastards. the only reason his items were offerred up as freestuff is because he was BANNED from the marketplace and the community. and partly as a last-ditch attempt to gain some sortof favor with the rosity masses who hated his guts. "And I actually agree that some of the recent additions to the merchant pool would be well advised to cut their teeth in Free Stuff first" agreed