Bh, I do know what you mean, and respectfully beg to differ. Without buyers, there can be no sellers--not the other way around. "while freestuff is great, and i myself am working on a couple new additions with rio, its not going to pay for the costs of this community." Not sure I agree with you here, either. I first started coming here back in the old, dark PFO days because of freestuff. I'm guessing a lot new folks first arrive on these shores for the same reason--and end up as marketplace captures when they see what's available. I've discovered a number of favorite merchants through high quality items they've posted to free stuff--Dark Whisper in particular (though, sadly, most of his free stuff items were pulled some time ago). Sure, merchants are doing us all a considerable favor by posting the occasional free item--but they're doing themselves a favor, too (a little like in WWII, when the tobacco companies gave free cigarettes to the Red Cross, which were then handed out to the boys in the trenches). One more thing--I don't know if it's true for everyone, but for me every MP purchase has been, in part, a conscious decision to pay back R'osity in some small part for all the fine, free services they provide. I figure that gives me the right to be a pain in the ass.