but do you see what im saying? freestuff is a part of the marketplace. if all of a sudden there would be no renderosity store, then everything else would dry up fast - no freestuff, no forums, no contests, no tutorials, nothing.. and no, dont get me wrong. im not saying that everyone here is obligated to purchase something from the marketplace to support the community. what i AM saying is that there are many who do, and they dont feel obligated at all. they purchase items because they like what they see and think its higher quality than a lot of the freestuff thats out there. noones shoving anything down their throats, merely offering their work and asking for a small fee as compensation. i spent a month on this latest pack, and so did rio. is $20 asking a lot to compensate me for that, or to receive the outcome of that work and avoid spending all that time yourself? i guess thats for everyone to decide for themselves. but im sick and tired of little shit disturbers like tisa trolling merchants galleries, posting defamatory comments on their works, and starting up posts ranting about how awful the marketplace is and how we should be obligated to only provide freesutff... thats a fucking crock. im sorry, but i have bills to pay. i try to give back to the community by working on free items, but mostly on free additions to my existing packs and answering peoples questions, emails and IMs on everything from texturing to rendering. and mosca - are you serious about the 'natural body hair' texture? define 'natural body hair', heh. dude i am NOT asking rio grow out her armpit hair for source material :( cheerio, -gabriel