The issues between the two companies are related to, but go beyond the EULA, to encompass fees for making Vickie and Mike compatible with the face room, and DAZ's development of 3D software. The principals at both places were supposed to have a telephone call recently to see whether or to what extent some of these issues could be resolved. There has not been, AFAIK, news about how that phone call went, but that does not surprise me and may in fact be a good thing, as diplomacy often requires privacy. I have endeavored to state the above as neutrally as possible, as this is a topic that tends to spawn lengthy and quite opinionated threads. If serene or anyone else wants more in-depth info on this topic, it should suffice to note that if you run a search on the forum for words like "EULA," "PoserPros" or "competing," you will almost certainly come across extensive debate over these issues. I am hoping against all experience that everyone will not feel compelled to repeat the debate yet again. Y'see, I'm on a dial-up connection, and it can take 30 sec. to a minute to page past that type of thread...and I'm always tempted to peek, just in case there's some new info. So please, if you don't have new info, could we skip the incredible exploding thread this time around?