Hangin in there my friend. And you? Been beta testing lately? That's stacking up to be one hell of a bug list isn't in the bug parade, isn't it? I recall a time not so long ago when some people were put off by the fact that some of us were suggesting there may be some problems with this holy grail of a program called Poser 5. As the bug parade continues it kind of proves what we were saying out of the gate. Jackson, if you haven't loaded patch 5 yet, hold off, it caused a lot of strange issues on my machine. It was a step backwards if that is possible.