Only difference I can see is the release date. MM is the same size, and version number is the same, but mine says 2000. Dina is a little larger than your listing, coming in at 11,934,954 bytes (11.3Meg). I recall an update that Included the shoulder fix (released after teh shoulder fix release) and that's the one I'm on. Anyway, thanks for all the help, Oh Win2K SP is 3. We'll just continue along and hope the next MM does fix it.