ChristianB: "Raytrace Render The new render kicks ass on anything you will get out of Bryce... Realistically you could create a Bryce type scene easier in Poser 5 than you could export all the Poser stuff to Bryce and render there. " Surely you're joking. LOL This is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Poser simply does not have the tools to be a scene builder. Just moving objects around is a chore. Sheesh. Took me half an hour to put a dragonfly on a wall in Poser using the dials and various views. Just the mere fact Poser has no separate object/camera/world space coordinate systems can really slow you down. This is basic stuff.