Thanks Dan. You and your company have the correct mindset to pull this off and so you will. All the best to everyone at DAZ. Penguinisto, thanks for taking that trip to Draper and providing to the community a brilliant report on your findings there. DAVE SO: "If anything, we should request a huge beta test...with as many systems, OSs, video card configs, ram amounts , etc as possible....I suppose the more testers, the larger chance of a leak, but it would be sure nice to get an app that works as advertised right at release with minimal problems." Totally agree Dave, and I'll bet after what we have just been through with P5 that this advice will be heeded. Dan, if your still around, can you at this time comment on any plans for copy protection?