I see alot of people agreeing that we 'expect less" of poser. Or that Poser is just a hobbyist mentality tool etc. That wasn't my orignal point at all really, my point was, at one point this community produced amazing things, i just think now it's gotten into a "commecialized" rut. Lets see how quickly we can render images of products we like, lets see how quickly we can get our products to market. It takes me weeks to do one peace of artwork when i see some people posting 3 images a day. That might speak to how slowly i draw or how cookie cutter the galleries and marketplace has become, who knows.