SamTherapy: "The only honest statements anyone can make regarding a painting, sculpture, musical work etc is "I like it" or "I don't like it"." Nope. It's the beginning of the appreciation and the beginning of the real critique. Afterwards you learn about composition, colours, vision, stuff... Then you can make honest informed statements. atthisstage: "Poser will always be a hobbyist software, no matter how much CL invests in collision detection, hair creation, clothing gravity, and everything else they're putting into this thing." Ummm, it will be a hobbyist software if you want it to be a weekend hobby. You could make a hobby of Maya, Softimage or 3D Studio, too, although they are much more expensive. Poser (Bryce even more so, of course :-)) is perfectly capable of producing good pictures. You just need to spend a lot of time on them. (At some stage, of course. After you learn the techniques, you will make your pictures faster.) Tools are not that important. The finished picture is. The idea is. And snobbery is snobbery, whatever they call it.

-- erlik