"Why does the quality of the galleries bother you (you =those who agreed with the originator of the thread)?" It doesn't. I love it. Folk art for the new millenium, dude. "Poser will always be a hobbyist software, no matter how much CL invests in collision detection, hair creation, clothing gravity, and everything else they're putting into this thing. It could be a high-power tool, but it won't get there... and we'll have to shoulder some of the blame for that." Sure, the main audience for Poser is the hobbyist--why not? It offers relative ease of use, and if you spend a few bucks on textures, poses, etc., you can whip up a more-or-less acceptable render in no time at all. The fact that the prevailing aesthetic here is largely about ladies in skimpy outfits does not diminish the usefulness of the software for those with other things in mind--yourself as a prime example. Let the scoffers scoff--they're completely missing the point. Sooner or later, Poser will fall into the hands of capital "A," fine-art artists (as opposed to the commercial or graphic artists whose work is much admired here). That's when things will start to get interesting. "And snobbery is snobbery, whatever they call it." Well, duh.