Heh... That's pretty funny Vitzer... your "Do you think there will be a Poser Forum and DAZ forum"... ::chuckles:: From just my unadulterated opinion, that would depend on two things I would think... 1.) Depends on just how far Renderosity has their nose stuff up CL's bum... 2.) Poser survives the market after poor reception to faulty product... Be interesting to see what will happen in say... the next six months. :o) Jack