John Render, If you mean to drive the idea into someones head whether they agree with your perspective on the world or not - no, I disagree. Again to reveal rather than teach, to deepen the mystery rather than to blatently "get your point across", to make someone else feel something . . . I hope your ideas on this community will mature with time. Surely there are those who take "Nekkked Vicky in a Temple with a Sword" seriously, but you're gonna have to live with that type of thinking no matter where you go. It doesn't mean you have to walk in lock step with them. "No matter where you go, there you are" - from the movie, Buckeroo Bonzai. cheers, - TJ