Ive played with it in his office, but I dont think I "need" it... its way to complicated for my play time.. I cant figure out AM at all, love Vue, starting to get the hang of TS... but I still go back to the good old POVray for most of my stuff; Im a coder at heart... have been for my 20 odd working years. This 3d stuff is one of the "fun" things I do to try and stay sane (Vainly some would say!) Anyway, Im off to play with the hair again, if I get anywhere I will post another pic.