Well thanks. :) Chuck I saw your replys to that post and I gotta say Im in total agreement with you. I was so glad to see someone who "got it". :) I have alot of respect for you even more so now. spratman: thank you very much. I try to be diffrent in my renders. But I still need to learn so much more. I just kinda wanted to throw my idea out there and see if it stuck :) LOL.