"and forgive me "who3d" for being political about this" I'd heard this acusation of geometry massaging refuted elsewhere, so I'm not entirely sure how certain it is or how relevant to the basic comments. IMHO it's a clear advantage that DAZ have their main revenue stream (at present, at least) in content, not the package under development. Even better - they don't have to design all their content, external artists use them as brokers requiring little effort on their part to get some income on an ongoing basis. The politics and AFAIK unproven accusations aren't required, IMHO, to get this point across. Meanwhile, the suggestion (almost outright statement) of yours that we're all going to be able to "Try before we Buy" the final product is most interesting - and thoroughly approved of! Means one will hopefully have a decent amount of time to evaluate the differences before cracking open the wallet yet again :) Cliff Bowman (Who3D) CL, DAZ, and Renderosity Marketplace customer