That's what I've been doing.. my problem with the mouth is getting the points of the mouth without getting the cheeks or lips.. I'll eventually get it figured out.. Notice I'm only doing head morphs so far... I got lazy, so I only converted the p4femheadonly.obj to rhino.. works like a charm, and there's no problems with other body parts.. (And morphs apply just fine..) I'm gonna have to do the full body in a while.. wanna make a no-breast morph... that'll be fun.. Thanks, Rosh