My understanding is that the real artists aren't posting in the galleries any more because of us hobbyists, so I don't see how I'm pushing anyone out if they are already gone. It's apparently the mere existence of a beginner that's offensive. But how many people are born knowing how to do 3D artwork? I'm over 50...I have a longer learning curve then somebody who is 18. I never worked with 3D software before Poser...I've been at it since July and was hit with the complication of Poser 5. I'm sorry but it takes me awhile to adapt. And I accept I may never get any better than I am now...skill and talent are finite in some people. Oh well. Does that mean I don't have a right to at least try? Don't forget, Chuck, this is a holiday weekend for some but not all. Your Vue help may be coming when people are done recovering from Thanksgiving (those who celebrate it), or finished at work. Or your request for help got swallowed up in other threads. We know how that goes.