maclean, no they don't realise how irritating those banners are, they think that it will sell thier site/product better than anything else. I personally also include flash as a get rid of it, and don't have the plugin for flash so I don't have to see the animated crap. ( the puzzle piece(sp?) image is a great interface for Daz's new look in my opinion, no slow loading resourse hungry interface with it )