Ok, I won't bore you with the needless details of my transformation from being bullied to bullying to my eventual redemption. But to give some perspective from the other side I'd hafta agree with legume on this one. Being a bully is all about power. The need for for power, and by seeking out those that are weak, different and easily intimidated an illision of power is created. Ever think why bullies pick the ones they do? Because it's easy. You get that little bit of power without risk. Introduce real risk, the risk of injury, risk of punishment, risk of embarrasment, and that target becomes no longer... well, no longer a target. The only way to deal effectively with a bully is to push back. Sorry but passivism just makes it easier. When Ziggy decides to run he's giving his power away. And he's not the only one to suffer for this, egged on by their success theses bullies will joyously seek out more victims with increased viciousness. So yea, Ziggy has my sympathy. But not my respect. Stand and fight, complain, stir the pot, enlist friends in your cause. Any of these is better than running and depriving yourself of something that is obviously important to you. as always Just My Humble Opinion Jon