Some of us like doing it the 'hard' way. The only thing is, by doing it the hard way, there's a bit of risk involved. Like, you might actually learn something. A famous photographer (Norman Parkinson) was once asked if he ever made mistakes. He said "Yes, occasionally, but it isn't very easy" Yoy have to mess around if you want to find things out. mac PS I have NO problem with anyone wanting to use quick and easy apps. After all, that's what they're there for.