Laurie: Thanks for your imput and help . I am always happy to learn more about a item i am interested in. I would think others would be delighted to have free back drops , your work is very good. I have been thinking of making some myself and dug out some software that came with my camera that stiches pictures togeather to make a panoramic scene. Also thanks for the help with the lights . I see i will have to experiment with some indoor scenes as well. I was maybe thinking of adding some renders done in bryce to see what i can come up with.